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Thank you for your Vit D articles.

Definitely please do article on recommended brands (capsules for me) including Vit K for bones.

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Thank You for continuing all your work on D3. and yes to your recommending particular brands, this is a quandary for many of us.

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Also very helpful was your guideline for how much Vit D3 to take daily based on weight.

I'm only 100 lbs so based on your formula I estimated I need about 3,200 IU's per day.

Thank you!

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Nov 25Edited

This is so sensible as to be almost universal.

Some subtleties remain.

After the onslaught of the Covid plandemic I learned a few things. Having endured training in chemistry I still missed the point that cholecalciferol is actually a steroid hormone precursor, not just a "vitamin." (My brain stores words, not pictures.)

After a few decades of doubt about the beauty of bisphosphonates I now understand that the interaction among Vit. D, Vit. K2, Calcium, and sunlight is not one dimensional.

So, I calibrated myself. Fat, old 95 kg white guy, residing at 49 N lat., 4000 units D3 qam from Oct. 1 until May 1. 60 mcg Vit K2 daily, all year. Early May and late Sept. Vit D levels ~ 130 nm both seasons, disemployed so 2 hours daily reading at the beach most sunny afternoons. (I recently read about Vit D storage kinetics, a couple of months half life.)

I am old enough that Tylenol was not a thing in childhood. In the 1970's Reye's Syndrome was presented as a hazard in case the children had chicken pox, so aspirin was dutifully cancelled. (This restriction was not lifted after the advent of the infant varicella vaccines.)

This masterful review will be difficult to share with OB physicians and paediatricians, but will be useful for nurses and midwives (who are likely already aware!) Folic acid was more promoted over the past three decades.

I am hopeful that RFK Jr. will be confirmed and that more of this will be permissible to discuss within the next few years.

Thank you again for your expertise and these articles.

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Jesus Christ THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS, thanks for your work man!

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This is a very good analysis.

The only thing I don't understand is, is there any evidence that fishermen, surfers, or seaside shipyard workers have more skin cancer than the general population?

Dr. Scott Marsland: Pierre Kory and his colleagues say that vitamin K2 should be kept below 0.1mg/day because it promotes blood clotting. Even though it is an essential substance for the human body in general, excess of it may have adverse effects.

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Thanks Masaki.

Here in Australia, pretty much everyone knows, and is concerned, about skin cancer. There are critiques about this being overblown, and that people should not be so afraid of direct sunlight, with some people asserting that the rate of death or serious harm from some kinds of cancer are not very high. I am not citing examples, because I don't hold such statements in high regard. I just want to mention their existence.

There are doctors here who do nothing but exceedingly detailed skin examinations, with computerised records to do easy comparisons between multiple examinations.

Most people I know of my age (69) have had spots. lumps, deep growths and the like removed, I assume for perfectly good reasons. Some get regular examinations to detect problems while they are relatively small.

You can find research articles on questions easily with Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com.au/schhp . I tried:

"skin cancer" surfers

The first page of results included Climetein et al. 2022 https://peerj.com/articles/13243/

"Surfers and swimmers had consistently higher rates of PSC (pre-skin cancer: actinic keratosis), NMSC (non-melanoma) and MSC (melanoma skin cancers) than the general Australian population. Point prevalence of MSC (groups combined) was 76-fold higher than the general Australian population."

The pattern of locations on the bodies of surfers shows that this is due to the UV-B exposure - mainly the face, arm and back.

I don't know who Dr Scott Marsland is, so I guess many other readers would not as well. If you mention someone, it is best to provide a link.

I guess most readers know Dr Pierre Kory as one of the leading doctors in the health freedom movement: https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com (95,000 subscribers) and https://covid19criticalcare.com/experts/pierre-kory/.

If you quote someone's statement, such as about limiting vitamin K2 to 0.1 milligrams (100 micrograms) a day, implicitly for average weight adults, please provide one or more URLs to such statements. This may well be good advice, but we need to see the relevant research, before taking anyone's word for it, even someone as generally astute and experienced as Dr Kory.

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Thank You Masaki Fujii for this reference "Dr. Scott Marsland: Pierre Kory and his colleagues say that vitamin K2 should be kept below 0.1mg/day because it promotes blood clotting. This is not far out of line with recommendations derived from analysis of a studies and consultation with experts concerning D3 which Dr. John Campbell presented on youtube over the mid and latter course of the "pandemic" and to present. Over time, with new information from experts and studies analyzed, step by step Campbell increased his D3 intake then finally added K2. John Campbell says he is now taking 8,000 units a day (up from 4,000 units per day which was up from 3,000 taken seasonally) and now with 200 units K2 (MK-7?). this can be seem at 13:00 mark into the video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3_t-EQIy0s I have not been able to find the the video (deleted?) where he presented a study which suggested ~0.1 mg/day / (~100 mcg/µg/day) K2 MK7 when taking 4,000 to 5,000 units of D3 and increasing K2 MK7 up to 0.2 mg/day / (200 mcg/µg/day)as D3 is increased to 10,000 units a day but no more than 0.2 mg/day / (200 mcg/µg/day) K2 MK7 if taking larger than 10,000 units of D3 per day.

note: if 0.1 mg/day is Not equal to 100 mcg/day or with a different abbreviation 100 µg/day Please offer a correction.

This was before the risk of increased microclotting with K2 supplementation in patients being treated for "long covid"/"vaccine" injury was noted which I read about here "Cancer: adjunctive care A six month appraisal of what I've learned so far Scott Marsland, FNP-C Aug 04, 2024 https://lightningbug.substack.com/p/cancer-adjunctive-care copied below

"VITAMIN K2

Dr Marik’s protocol advises the use of a Vitamin D3 / K2 combination when high-dose Vitamin D3 is being used. I have previously written about my clinical observations re: compounding factors which promote and perpetuate microclotting in our post-acute sequelae of COVID (PASC) and COVD vaccine-injured patients. Vitamin K2 is one of those factors. In one of my first followup visits with a patient who is a retired nurse, I didn’t get my first sentence out before she said “I’m not taking any more of that Vitamin K2 you ordered. My infusaport has been working fine for a year, and as soon as I started taking the Vitamin K2, it clogged up from clotting. No more!” I didn’t object, and we discussed the other factors to consider when taking high-dose Vitamin D3 which help manage calcium levels: 30 minutes of weight-bearing exercise (e.g. walking) daily, 250-500mg of Magnesium daily, and limiting, or stopping, the intake of dairy products due to their contribution of excessive free Calcium.

One challenge here is that some patients are too weak or fatigued to walk thirty minutes a day. If someone has $6,000 to purchase a Juvent, I think that 20 minutes a day on the Juvent is a fair approximation, but this is beyond the budget for most. When D3 and K2 are in the same supplement, one can quickly arrive at a daily intake of more than 1000mcg of K2, and these are levels at which I have observed PASC and vaccine-injured patients get stuck with stage/grade 4 of 4 microclotting. I’ve communicated my concerns to Dr Marik, and there is some agreement that separating Vitamin K2 from Vitamin D3 intake is reasonable. In this way, a patient can plan for 100mcg of K2 daily, or 800mcg weekly."

I and others asked questions in the comment section and received replies which are summarized below.

Linda Hagge Sep 15

I'm mystified by the K2 microclotting claim. Isn't it K1 that facilitates clotting? K2 should not do that at all. And shouldn't the type of K2, whether MK7 or MK4, be discussed in relation to this supposed clotting?

Scott Marsland, FNP-C Sep 15 Author

I’ll tell you Linda, that I’m mystified myself, but the microclotting studies consistently tell a different picture. The terrain of our bodies has changed under the influence of spikopathy, and the understandings we had before the pandemic need to be updated and adapted. Using one of the few reliables guides we have had in this effort, the study of amyloid fibrin microclotting, has been very helpful in guiding us towards more successful relief of patients symptoms and long-term healing of multi-system injury.

James Kringlee Sep 16

What brand of D3 / K2 was acting like K1 and initiating clotting? Is this what happened? or have you other thoughts? Most people do not knowingly seek out additional clotting.

Scott Marsland, FNP-C Sep 16 Author

Hi James,

Re: last sentence, agree. But if I told you that drinking out of an aluminum can increased microclotting, do you think that you would stop drinking your beloved canned beverage? Most people wouldn’t, or don’t. Patients with PASC or vaccine injury will stop and reconsider. Perhaps cancer patients also. Life looks more precarious and they are more open to change.

Re: brands, the answer is multiple brands. I’ve seen this more than twenty times. My FAVORITE Vitamin D3 by far is by Seeking Health out of Bellingham, WA, as I have found it consistently raises patients’ serum D levels. Yummy olive oil, great price point. But their D3 with K2 will sure as shootin’ prolong microclotting, or make it worse.

James Kringlee Sep 16 Thank You for your reply Scott Marsland,

... Never infected / never injected and drinking nothing out of polymer or epoxy lined aluminum cans - micro clots are not my current concern.

Have You seen the "stroke out" or "arrest" risk clotting indications potentially attributable to what is sold as D3 / K2 or K2 supplementation? AND have you seen such supplementation increase INR test numbers if those are measured in your practice.?

Scott Marsland, FNP-C Sep 18

Microclots settle in the capillaries and the burden has to be quite heavy before stroke or heart attack occurs. PT/INR doesn’t change.

James Kringlee Sep 18 Thank You for sharing the K2 supplement / micro clot concerns.

Looks like a precautionary approach could be to take D3 supplements without K2-MK7 (who knows what is in the supplemental K2 these days and what is it doing) and figure out how to make batches of natto at home and how to "choke down" 1 or 2 - 10 gram portions somehow, sometime, during the day. Most people would probably not overdose natto. note added: a 10 gram portion of natto is said to contain ~ 0.1 mg/day / (100 mcg/µg/day) K2 MK7

Scott Marsland, FNP-C Sep 18

I like your thought process…and have discovered that homemade Natto has A LOT of Vit K1. A patient was working on a video for us about how to make Natto, and we mixed when his microclot score went up to 3.5 if 4. It was the Natto. I think the safest path is to separate D3 and K2, and get your K from good, not processed powders.

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I have not yet confident I understand enough about vitamin K1 or the two forms of vitamin K2 to write an article on vitamin D3 / vitamin K2 capsules.

I broadly understand, by averaging what I read from various sources, that vitamin K2 (which form?) helps retain calcium in the bone and keep it from over-enriching the very tightly controlled, close to saturation, level of calcium ions circulating in the blood.

Please email me directly at rw@firstpr.com.au with references, links to websites you think are worth reading etc.

I am not opposed to rambling comments here on matters only somewhat related to the subject of the article - I write such comments to other people's articles quite frequently.

However, there's no point in mentioning what you, or anyone else thinks, unless you cite the references they are relying on. Please use author, title and URL, so people don't have to search for the actual PDF or whatever.

There is a massive, general, pattern of people writing what they think, as if anyone else should be interested and in particular with the implication that other people should take such views into account in their understanding of the world. I think this is only true if you make it easy for readers to follow the key references on which you base your beliefs.

I need to find the best vitamin K1/2 research before I proceed, since I need to be able to justify whatever I write to myself, and readers, with reliable references which truly represent the important issues at stake. No-one should be altering their nutritional arrangements based on what I write. I have no qualifications in any field.

My aim is to find the best research I can, make my own tentative - and sometimes passionate - conclusions and then explain why I currently think this way, with proper references. This is all intended to get people to look at the research themselves, or find someone with suitable knowledge to advise them on this research.

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I am keeping an eye out for a study where both the control group and the treatment group are starting with a tested, well established, REAL PROPER D3 level and where both groups are taking a base supplementation package well shown to facilitate and increase the efficacy of D3 supplementation. Then add the K2 or K2 package to the treatment group and follow these groups for a long time unless K2 benefits are seen showing it would be unethical to keep a control group going without some amount of K2 supplementation

The conscientious of opinion among many who read the available studies on D3 and who appreciate the demonstrated health benefits of higher D3 intake and also read the K2 studies, such as they are, - it does seem to be these have decided to supplement K2'

Om Tat Sat - seek a lot - go with what you got

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Yes "rambling" and .... . I edited some of my comment. Thank You

With so many that are having problems from spike and more of these now taking higher doses of D3 and D3 and K2 together based on a bit of research here and a bit there. I think it is important to put into the mix awareness of increases in microclotting, that is linked to K2, being noted in the "spiked"

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Thanks, James Kringlee!

You seem to be a doctor, but an amateur like me cannot measure the blood concentration of a certain substance very often. I live in Japan, but ① tests outside of health insurance cost $15-30 per item, ② I have to wait in the waiting room where there may be other patients with infectious diseases, and there is a risk of infection (I take 6mg-12 mg of Ivermectin at dinner the day before to prevent Sarscov2), and ③ I hate having a needle inserted to draw blood because it hurts, even as I get older.

Therefore, the blood concentrations of D3 (metabolite) and K2 have not been measured.

Although Vit.D3 and Vit.K2 are available as supplements and can be purchased by amateurs, there is almost no information available about their quality, so I just have to trust them.

Therefore, since the start of Cov19, I have noticed the effectiveness of D3 and have been taking it since 2021, but I have been taking it in slightly smaller doses. I cannot analyze what the effect is, but I have not been infected with Sarscov2 so far, even though I have not been vaccinated. D3 (DearNature 30μg, Seeking Health's product is not sold on Amazon Japan), K2 (Now 100μg)

I have type 2 diabetes, so I get blood tests every few months, so I know there are no problems with my liver or kidneys.

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I am not a doctor but one of many forced to become their own "doctor" because of the denial of Real Prevention for covid and the denial of Real Treatment for covid in these evil times.

I worked as an independent contractor in the painting and construction trades and throughout my life have had an interest in and ability to "research" and figure out how to do practical things.. These served me well at the start of the pandemic as I owned a full kit of 3M respiratory protection and had a substantial stock of 3M 8210+ N95 masks which enabled me to give Real N95 masks to family friends and neighbors and protect myself and to be able to take the time to "research" and find out what Real Doctors and Real Researchers had figured out about sars-cov-2 and covid.

Yes to D3 and "repurposed drugs".

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As written on the product box, the N95 has a penetration test particle of 95% NaCL [70-300 nm], and since fine particles usually have a symmetrical Gaussian distribution, the median filtered particle size is probably 185 nm.

On the other hand, most Sarscov2 100 nmφ (some have irregular shapes, but are roughly 100 nm or larger) pass through, so I don't think it has much effect if it's just particles. However, it does capture fine droplets that come out of the mouth and nose when coughing or talking. Ordinary white nonwoven fabric and urethane have a lower limit of more than 300 nm and are completely ineffective. There is a DS2 standard for dusty work in Japan, which is 95% NaCL [60-100 nm], has a median filtered particle of 80 nm, and captures 95% of particles below 100 nm, so even if Sarscov2 is a single particle, it can filter out most of the Sarscov2 Virus. It's a little expensive, but I think of it as insurance and have been using it in crowds since 2020.

There are many miners and iron ore workers in Australia who work in dusty environments, so perhaps there are similar standards?

The problem is that human experiments cannot be conducted to determine how many virus particles need to be inhaled to cause infection, and the numbers vary greatly between scholars, ranging from 100 to 10,000.

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